I apologize that I'm just some random lurker, I don't have an LJ account but I do have friends who do, and somehow came across this. I'm interested in all things Richard III so I was compelled to respond to your interesting post.
As a more recent interest, unfortunately I haven't had time to read all of that tetrology. Anyway, what I find interesting is that your quote seems to show fierce loyatly in Richard to his dad and to his Yorks. What do you make, then, of his lines: "I that have neither pity, love, nor fear...had I not reason, think ye, to make haste and seek their ruin that usurped our right?...I have no brother, I am like no brother; and this word "love," which graybeards call divine, be resident in men like one another, And not in me. I am myself alone." The first part seems to support what you are saying, re-emphasising a sort of revenge on the opposite side. But what about his talk of isolation/lovelessness? Wouldn't being loyal to his dad be out of that too? Or is he just psyching himself up for what he has to do?
I agree that all his dissing of his luck with women seems to be in contrast to his brother and the other Edward; he just seems so utterly self-serving that it is sort of hard for me to swallow that it was all out of loyalty for his dad/the Yorks. With lines like "Since this world offers no joy to me but to command, to check, to o'erbear such that are of better person than myself, I'll make my heaven to dream upon the crown..." etc. To me, it seems he feels he really got cheated in life, thus is doing whatever it takes to get the crown as some compensation. Since, as he claims, he has no love or brotherhood in him and is in his own little world of hate, it's no problem that he has to kill and cheat all those people to get there.
But you do make a good point in quoting what you did. It just seems to me that Richard was naturally a hateful, spiteful and bitter person that didn't get joy in all those other things most people did. I suppose that was all right when he was fighting for a "cause," like avenging his father's death. But once that was out of the way, and all that was left was "delightful measures" and "glorious summer" and lusting over and courting women, things that Richard seemed to loathe for whatever reason (his deformity?) - and his own strong inner resentment over his short-hand nature gave him as being sent into the world "scarce-half made up" and all that - the only thing he thought that could make him happy, noticed and respected was to become King.
Whew - well that's sort of how I can make sense of all of it.
He definetly seems to underestimate himself though, in assuming it is more likely to get 20 crowns then be an attractive suitor for women. And when he does do it, he doesn't suddenly give up his quest for the crown or anything lol. But just because he was able to lie and manipulate Lady Anne into consenting to marry him doesn't mean he's still made of the stuff for amourous dances and nimble capering in a lady's chamber. And, like you were saying, he does seem to frown on those things as not being great attributes for a King, or anybody. He was more into war. He was just a restless violent thing from birth, and this fueled by his inner resentment made him turn out to do all that stuff he did. Again, when he had a good cause to fight for, like his father and his Yorkist faction, it was all right. But once that was gone, and in its place came lighthearted fun, he got all bitter again and decided to put an end to all that, account the world "but hell" and move himself up. Another poster made a good point about the desire thing - he definetly seemed better when he had some purpose/goal to achieve. It's also interesting that he uses his deformity as a sort of defense as proof that Nature intended him to be the restless dog that he was.
Let me know what you think, if you even check here or if it's not totally rude that I'm posting here and am not even a member, lol (I would be if I had an account!)...anyway, interesting post.
- HyenaDEN5. Sorry again if it was totally rude to post in here...I just don't usually come across intelligent Richard III conversation, lol.
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Date: 2006-03-02 04:02 am (UTC)As a more recent interest, unfortunately I haven't had time to read all of that tetrology. Anyway, what I find interesting is that your quote seems to show fierce loyatly in Richard to his dad and to his Yorks. What do you make, then, of his lines: "I that have neither pity, love, nor fear...had I not reason, think ye, to make haste and seek their ruin that usurped our right?...I have no brother, I am like no brother; and this word "love," which graybeards call divine, be resident in men like one another, And not in me. I am myself alone." The first part seems to support what you are saying, re-emphasising a sort of revenge on the opposite side. But what about his talk of isolation/lovelessness? Wouldn't being loyal to his dad be out of that too? Or is he just psyching himself up for what he has to do?
I agree that all his dissing of his luck with women seems to be in contrast to his brother and the other Edward; he just seems so utterly self-serving that it is sort of hard for me to swallow that it was all out of loyalty for his dad/the Yorks. With lines like "Since this world offers no joy to me but to command, to check, to o'erbear such that are of better person than myself, I'll make my heaven to dream upon the crown..." etc. To me, it seems he feels he really got cheated in life, thus is doing whatever it takes to get the crown as some compensation. Since, as he claims, he has no love or brotherhood in him and is in his own little world of hate, it's no problem that he has to kill and cheat all those people to get there.
But you do make a good point in quoting what you did. It just seems to me that Richard was naturally a hateful, spiteful and bitter person that didn't get joy in all those other things most people did. I suppose that was all right when he was fighting for a "cause," like avenging his father's death. But once that was out of the way, and all that was left was "delightful measures" and "glorious summer" and lusting over and courting women, things that Richard seemed to loathe for whatever reason (his deformity?) - and his own strong inner resentment over his short-hand nature gave him as being sent into the world "scarce-half made up" and all that - the only thing he thought that could make him happy, noticed and respected was to become King.
Whew - well that's sort of how I can make sense of all of it.
He definetly seems to underestimate himself though, in assuming it is more likely to get 20 crowns then be an attractive suitor for women. And when he does do it, he doesn't suddenly give up his quest for the crown or anything lol. But just because he was able to lie and manipulate Lady Anne into consenting to marry him doesn't mean he's still made of the stuff for amourous dances and nimble capering in a lady's chamber. And, like you were saying, he does seem to frown on those things as not being great attributes for a King, or anybody. He was more into war. He was just a restless violent thing from birth, and this fueled by his inner resentment made him turn out to do all that stuff he did. Again, when he had a good cause to fight for, like his father and his Yorkist faction, it was all right. But once that was gone, and in its place came lighthearted fun, he got all bitter again and decided to put an end to all that, account the world "but hell" and move himself up. Another poster made a good point about the desire thing - he definetly seemed better when he had some purpose/goal to achieve. It's also interesting that he uses his deformity as a sort of defense as proof that Nature intended him to be the restless dog that he was.
Let me know what you think, if you even check here or if it's not totally rude that I'm posting here and am not even a member, lol (I would be if I had an account!)...anyway, interesting post.
- HyenaDEN5. Sorry again if it was totally rude to post in here...I just don't usually come across intelligent Richard III conversation, lol.